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Re: A law unto themselves

Islamican — Wed, 16 May 2012 01:29:35 -0000

wow.. your the only one who's blog is still active since 2005. Islamican:)

Re: Eat halaal! Organic is no substitute

Fugstar — Mon, 14 May 2012 09:35:04 -0000

This feed the world thesis ispowerful, but food availability is not the cause of famines, its distribution, inequality and politics.

If we will it, we will make it different. iA

Besides the issue hear is disrespect of creation. Industrial rearing of animals is quite wrong, reducing it to stunning and organic posing is not what the future's made of.

Re: Why I believe Ken Livingstone lost

Fugstar — Mon, 14 May 2012 09:28:37 -0000

long streak of blue paint.
:-)

Re: Dawud Adib: letting it eat away?

YusufH — Thu, 10 May 2012 16:38:49 -0000

All of it deeply unpleasant. If this is how we carry on, no-one is going to be the slightest impressed or feel any liking for us whatsoever.

Re: Dawud Adib: letting it eat away?

abu Yunus — Wed, 09 May 2012 23:34:30 -0000

Salafi da'wah or movement is not Dawud Adib's as you have claimed. Alhamdulillaah, the Salafi da'wah is well and alive in spite of the reckless mistakes of some claimants to the Salafi da'wah. The da'wah is not about people, it is manhaj (methodology) that does not die out. People can be tested with it and those who fail the test end up being "burnouts" like umar lee. The fitan (trials/tribulations) prove the truthful from the liars. Umar Lee, among other individuals, was not able to withstand the heat, so the da'wah melted him. Alhamdulillah, after 17 years, I am still a Salafi. That is because I never treated Salafiyyah as a clique. I always considered it a manhaj and what a beautiful manhaj it is. As for your burnouts, I feel sorry for you but you chose your ways and simply exposed yourself for being what you truly where: Salafis [merely] by association, not ikhlaas.

Re: Eat halaal! Organic is no substitute

Zaytoon88 — Tue, 08 May 2012 17:41:40 -0000

Assaamu alaikum
I would really like to see someone write an article, blog post, or even a book that critically examines the rise and nature of the "Proggie" movement from a traditional Islamic perspective. It would be very usefu,l inshallah, particularly for North American Muslims since this movement seems to be strongest there. Wallahu "alam

Re: Why I believe Ken Livingstone lost

M Risbrook — Mon, 07 May 2012 10:08:05 -0000

The simple answer is that Londoners have had enough from Livingstone and don't want him back. I agree with you about him being a “divine-right poltician” - and one with a political lineage going back to the GLC. I can also see why Muslims preferred to stay at home.

In reality, all of the candidates were unappealing and unattractive this time round including the BNP's man from Uruguay.

Re: Review: Voices from the Shadows, British Library, London

Matthew Smith — Mon, 07 May 2012 05:42:33 -0000

Is your daughter the same one who was featured in one of the women's magazines a few months ago, and whose aunt posted on the Severe ME book forum? (I think I recognise your surname.) I suggest contacting the Tymes Trust and enlist the help of a decent ME-friendly paediatrician. The TT have a good record of getting young ME sufferers out of the clutches of psychiatrists.

Re: Review: Voices from the Shadows, British Library, London

Steve Hinks — Mon, 07 May 2012 05:19:37 -0000

Thev DVD is now available. I just hope that it convinces those involved in this shameful treatment of sufferers. Our own daughter has just been referred to a psychiatric unit 90 miles away.

Re: Why I believe Ken Livingstone lost

Farooq — Sun, 06 May 2012 05:39:48 -0000

Ken lost because the people he represents working class, ethnic minorities including muslims couldnt be bothered to get out and vote.
where as the well to do people boris represents got out and voted.
as a muslim my gripe is with muslims, who for the most part as a community cannot be bothered to wipe the snot on their own faces and spend their time blaming other people for their ills.
I can guarantee you thousands of muslims didnt bother to vote. idiiotic and inept muslim leaders guiding us all into an abyss.

Re: BADD 2012: mobile accessibility

Sarah Levis — Sat, 05 May 2012 16:54:08 -0000

Lots of information in this post of which I was totally unaware. I will be doing more research. Thank you. :)

Re: Disability benefits and the self-made mouth

Mrs Grimble — Sat, 05 May 2012 07:30:08 -0000

Looking at her website, I notice that she describes herself as "A daughter of a farming family", a "small business owner" and a "working mother". So presumably, her family have never accepted any farming subsidies, she has never accepted any of of the numerous government grants and subsidies for small businesses, and she has never accepted child benefit or family tax credits? And none of her employees receive working tax credits or child benefit or housing benefit, or use the NHS?
I could call her a number of very impolite terms, but I shall limit myself to "ignorant".

Re: Eat halaal! Organic is no substitute

HijabMan HijabMan — Fri, 04 May 2012 07:58:08 -0000

Thanks all, for the comments!

Re: Eat halaal! Organic is no substitute

Fugstar — Wed, 02 May 2012 09:40:34 -0000

Salam,

interesting to see the different intellectual ideologies bewteen you and hijabman, we are heterogenous and iA all part of islah in this matter.

going vegetarian is the secular option however, ignoring the injustice towards the rights fo the animal is irresponsible

Lets transform our meat culture so that we arent earning the curses of those tasty comical creatures.

http://chickenwars.tumblr.com/

Re: Disability benefits and the self-made mouth

Blue Sky — Tue, 01 May 2012 04:05:04 -0000

People like Katie Hopkins terrify me with their opinions and lack of empathy. Even when I was a well paid career girl paying almost 40% of my income in tax, I appreciated all the services that I received as a result. I cannot understand people like this woman. Excellent piece.

Re: Eat halaal! Organic is no substitute

SHH — Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:33:25 -0000

Good piece, it's hard to swallow Hijabman's viewpoints since they're so often based on his own personal conjecture.

Re: How do we deal with the care home abuse problem?

davebones — Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:27:08 -0000

The way to deal with abuse in Care Homes is to make cooperative care homes where the staff are either responsible directly to the clients, or if they have dementia etc their clients next of kin. Without the profit motive and with direct accountability care homes would improve. Pension funds have enough clout to bring this in- if enough people nearing retirement say it is what they want.

Re: Eat halaal! Organic is no substitute

fairandlovely — Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:00:42 -0000

The following are two hadith from this chapter and they are both warnings about eating meat: 1. “Beware of meat because it has an addiction like the addiction of wine.” To this day, in some parts of Yemen, they call meat “khamr al-mu’mineen” (the wine of the believers). People who eat meat constantly must have meat in their food because they get addicted to its taste or flavor. In many places in the Muslim world, meat was not readily available, and for most, extremely expensive. Do to its cost, most Muslims rarely ate meat and one of the benefits of the Feast of the Sacrifice after Hajj is that poor people get to eat meat for a day. Another aspect that has changed is refrigeration. In the past, people ate meat that was freshly slaughtered and thus the decomposition was minimal. Now, meat is kept for days, weeks, and even months. Meat consumption is much higher today than it was in the past. Also there is a danger in the unnatural growth hormones and estrogen [a female hormone] used in modern meat production as well as in the dairy industry. Immigrant parents who are of average height are now finding that their children are much taller than them or anyone in their families. Many think it is a good thing and attribute their children’s size to the “good food” they are eating (as if they didn’t get good food back where they came from). Wherever American beef has gone there has been an increase in the size of the people. This has happened in Japan and in Asian countries such as the Philippines. The average height of an average person is five feet, eight inches. In the Muslim world that’s the average height. If you are six feet and you go on Hajj you will tower over everyone else. The other hadith in the Muwatta is: 2. ‘Umar used to see someone who buys meat all the time, so he said: “It would be better if you tucked your stomach in a little bit and let other people eat.” This is a very profound insight from the Second Caliph, ‘Umar, may Allah be pleased with him. Starvation is very real and one of the tragedies of modern food shortages is directly related to meat production in general and cattle consumption in particular. It takes several pounds of grain to produce one pound of meat and reducing one’s meat consumption is in fact a political act that, if done on large scales, would have excellent benefits for both the environment and the less fortunate. In the Muslim world today, lamb, rather than beef, is the dominant meat eaten. Lamb was the traditional meat eaten by the Prophet (peace be upon him), although he did sacrifice a cow on the Hajj, which was for his women folk. There is a sahih hadith that says: “The meat of the cow is a disease and its milk is a cure.” Today we are seeing evidence that cow’s meat is the number one reason for cardio-vascular disease. Saturated fats found in animals are the main cause for one’s arteries becoming sclerotic, which leads to strokes and heart attacks. We see that bypass operations are very common for people who have a habit of eating a lot of cow meat. It is tragic because if people would just follow the Sunnah, they would rarely need such common and preventable operations. Allah says, “Eat and drink but not to excess, Allah does not love those who are excessive.” The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “The best of my Ummah are my generation, then the second generation, then the third generation, then they start getting plump.”

Re: Eat halaal! Organic is no substitute

cncz — Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:25:38 -0000

Salams

As I said on facebook, when you have to make these types of choices on meat, sometimes you are better off going vegetarian. Lots of the salaf led a generally vegetarian lifestyle, there are even hadith about not having meat every day (can't find them right now). Furthermore it has only been in the 20th century that we have become accustomed to daily meat. Meat eating period- organic or not- is a rather expensive lifestyle and a very recent trend. If you have problems with the meat- halal or organic or whatever- just don't eat it. It's not that hard.

Re: Eat halaal! Organic is no substitute

Marc Manley — Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:28:04 -0000

Thank you for that response, Matthew. You do make some good points about organic being the luxury of the middle to upper class but I do believe that Muslims only conceptualize of food as it relates to meat as it relates to halal, and not about eating healthy, which for many is alluded to in the Qur'an's use of "tayyib."

Re: Eat halaal! Organic is no substitute

fairandlovely — Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:25:15 -0000

It's not finding fault but trying to get better understanding and sharing thoughts

Re: Eat halaal! Organic is no substitute

fairandlovely — Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:23:33 -0000

Assalaam Alaiykum,
Unfort. Islamic scholars need educating. Halal and Tayyib sit together i.e. lawful to the animal (welfare rights), environment, ethical, wholesome, good for consumption for mankind to prevent physical and mental problems. If you check our todays news on mad cow disease found in cow in USA(http://behalal.org/home/usa-ma... it's not isolated to the 1990s. Halal is organic and founded 15,00 years ago. This space does not allow me to go on but the Quran and sunnah offer advice to protect mankind. I agree that if the animal is healthy and slaughtered correctly/humanely that it meets the basic requirement for halal but we are what we eat and looking at the health of our nation one has to question what's going into our food which begs the question if the tayyib part is being met. Halal is not the same as the label claims due to differing halal standards where applied and lack of clarity of what halal means in UK legislation. Halal slaughter concerns are not rumours and there are concerns particularly around use of stunning for poultry on the grounds of animal welfare and that it may kill them and another important factor for halal slaughter is the prayer- 6-12,000 birds an hour are slaughtered! Re: welfare, scientists prefer gass stunning but suffocation is not allowed in Islam on ground of protecting the animal. Check out all slaughter methods here: http://behalal.org/consumer/sl...

There are 3 UK based halal organic producers, 2 certified by Soil assoc and the other can only call it free range. The latter offers at reasonable prices.

Lastly, better understanding of halal and tayyib should be applied to all foodstuffs not just meat esp where the halal claim is being made. Trans fats, artificial flavours, colourings, etc which have been proven to be detrimental to health. Halal and tayyib is a standard for good, nutritious/wholesome/hygienically sound food for all. Shame this is not being applied but sounds like Muslims need educating to improve standards. In time one we will strive to do at behalal.org

Thank you, jazakallah for reading this.
Peace
Ws
Ruksana

Re: Eat halaal! Organic is no substitute

Matthew Smith — Sun, 29 Apr 2012 03:03:46 -0000

As-Salaamu 'alaikum, the point is that dhabihah meat is halaal meat, end of. The minimum requirement is that it is of an acceptable species and it is slaughtered correctly. All else is additional, but getting the additional right is useless, religiously, if you don't have the basics. It is worth getting bodies like the HMC in the UK to consider these things, but it must be on top of dhabihah and not instead of it.

I also question how many Muslims are really gravitating to organic food (meat or otherwise) -- organic food other than meat often contains less flavourings and is more likely to be halaal because it caters for a vegetarian and vegan customer base, but only middle-class Muslims could afford much of it because it's expensive and has been getting more so, in the UK at least. It's a risky, low-yield form of agriculture. I also believe it relies heavily on people wrongly believing they are intolerant or allergic to common foodstuffs (like wheat), a belief perpetuated by the alternative medicine industry.

Re: Eat halaal! Organic is no substitute

Marc Manley — Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:43:40 -0000

Wa 'alaykum salaam. I think what he is talking about in his article is worth considering in as much as that Muslims obsess on the permissibility of meat [halal] while generally remaining unconcerned with its quality [tayyib]. Part of it may be that most halal food products, Muslim restaurants or even nutritional practices by Muslims collectively are not wholesome. It may be that these Muslims are gravitating to organic because they're looking for both permissible [halal] and wholesome [tayyib] food. I do appreciate your emphasis on dhabihah [which many Muslims conflate dhabihah for halal] but we should perhaps look deeper at what they're talking about so we can all get closer to wholesome, permissible food.

Re: Eat halaal! Organic is no substitute

George Carty — Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:04:31 -0000

Isn't the organic food movement (insofar as it sees itself as a model for agriculture in general, rather than one providing a niche product) an extremely dangerous one?

There are 7 billion people on Earth, and barely 2 billion of those could be fed without modern agricultural techniques (chiefly artificial fertilizers, but also farm machines which replaced working animals).